Talk:Color

Maybe a variation of the Munsell system would be a more elegant way to create each "shades of x" article

I started out thinking that the RGB system was the way to go, but I soon noticed its shortcomings. One of them is that its colour wheel is not balanced. For example, the transition from red to yellow is way too short in the wheel. After seeing many different colour wheels, I believe that Munsell's is the most balanced when it comes to doing justice to each hue's space in the colour wheel, and not overemphasising others. It makes the most sense while looking at the spectral colours in firsthand through a prism. It also has the property that each one of these hues is really close to its complementary. Please let me know what you think.

Example of how it would look like (for the hues only, it excludes brown or pink, for example):

1 Shades of red

2 Shades of orange

3 Shades of yellow

4 Shades of chartreuse/lime (main representative colour being near #98cf00)

5 Shades of green (main representative colour being near #19d451)

6 Shades of cyan/aqua (near #00c7b0)

7 Shades of blue (near #1f9bed)

8 Shades of ultramarine/indigo (near #6369ff)

9 Shades of purple/violet (near #bf66ff)

0 Shades of magenta (near #ff57b3)

You can also notice that these colours match their complementaries really well:

red-cyan

orange-blue

yellow-ultramarine (it's the same hue as the RGB 0000FF)

chartreuse-purple/violet

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Have you finished working on these changes? I am tidying the talk page for Color as most of the items seem to be old and resolved. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

green-magenta

The RGB red is slightly orange-ish. If you look at the red through a prism, you can clearly see that there is a redder red than the RGB one. If we try to find the complementary for this pure red, it falls somewhere between 170 to 180 degrees in the HSV hue wheel.

I also think that the archetypical blue should be something around 210 degrees, because that's what most people and cultures think of the archetypical blue. The RGB blue is slightly violet-ish.

So my proposal is to: 1 merge 'shades of cyan' and 'shades of spring green' and call it 'shades of blue-green'.

2 rename 'shades of azure' as 'shades of blue' and add some new colours to it that represent both the blues closer to cyan and the blues closer to ultramarine.

3 rename 'shades of blue' as 'shades of ultramarine or indigo', and move some of the colours there to the new 'shades of blue'.

4 merge 'shades of magenta' with 'shades of rose'.

Let me know what you think. Restfultree2022 (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Take a look at ISCC–NBS system. –jacobolus (t) 09:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think it's missing blue-green, magenta (those hues between 300 and 350 degrees), and ultramarine (between 230 and 255 degrees) as primary hues. In my opinion, these hue areas deserve acknowledgement on par with 'shades of red' and so on. Restfultree2022 (talk) 22:01, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

These are all given clear and unambiguous names. "Magenta" is called purplish red (pR), "ultramarine" is called purplish blue (pB). Also "teal"/"turquoise" is split into bluish green (bG) and greenish blue (gB) (though personally I might instead make a single blue–green category a bit smaller than the combination of those two put together). The point was to make precisely defined categories, not to give every category a one-word name. Anyway, this is more or less what you were asking or: a clearly specified system based on Munsell coordinates. –jacobolus (t) 23:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I see. Yeah, what I'm mostly pondering on is what the exemplary colour code should be for the archetype of each hue.

It's also about the balance of the colour wheel. I see more difference between red to yellow than red to RGB magenta for example. The RGB green is slightly yellower than the greenest green I can see in the spectrum. The RGB colour wheel gets quite strange around green. One it gets near 120 degrees, there is very minimum difference. That's not what happens in the rainbow. I think it has something to do with how limited the sRGB gamut is about making those greens. Restfultree2022 (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm thinking, maybe this is the most balanced way to divide the colour wheel: https://imgur.com/a/hOYTYFJ

But I'm not sure. Restfultree2022 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2024

I would like to add more information. 76.80.235.226 (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. PianoDan (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Is it reasonable to remove this from the Color talk page now? UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

This page is protected but doesn't display any corresponding icon or banner, which I found a bit confusing... {{pp-semi-indef}}, I think?

- 2A02:560:5829:B000:B9F7:CF82:EEE5:7596 (talk) 13:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Done.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Shall we remove this item from the talk page now? Color is no longer locked. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Where to discuss False Color images

I would like to add the topic of False color to the Color page. Please suggest where to discuss this on this page. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2024

change "British and Commonwealth English" to plain old "Commonwealth English" 2600:1700:14BE:E00:ACCA:E9DF:5238:DD45 (talk) 02:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the alert. HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Recently reverted Good Faith edits were in fact the better version, contrary to the opinion of the editor who reverted them.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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]], [[American and British English spelling differences#-our, -or|see spelling differences Cunnismeta (talk) 19:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why is this article using the american spelling?

Personally, I think that, since UK spellings are more "international", and therefore should be used-many articles use american spelling, although only USA and Canada really use it, and Wikipedia, although it has "american bias", is still an international digital encyclopedia of sorts, so I think that the Commonwealth spelling, "colour" should be used as the heading. 2401:D002:CA0C:9F00:85F3:8CBE:C08D:3147 (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Have a look at the final section of the highlighted text at the top of this page. HiLo48 (talk) 04:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

The lead

The lead paragraph has gotten problematic again. It now reads:

Color (or colour in Commonwealth English; see spelling differences) is the visual perception based on the electromagnetic spectrum.

I have trouble understanding this. We had a pretty nice one in mid-2022:

Color (American English) or colour (British English) is the visual perceptual property deriving from the spectrum of light interacting with the photoreceptor cells of the eyes.

and about six months before that:

Color (American English) or colour (Commonwealth English) is the visual perceptual property corresponding in humans to the categories called blue, green, red, etc.

Seems to me it's gotten less understandable with each iteration. There's a good reason that in September of 2021, we rolled the lead clear back to 2016, based on the discussion on top of this archive and what preceded it. I think we need to look backwards again. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 05:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Colour is derived from the electromagnetic spectrum, but is only a very small part of it. Also, other living things can perceive colour although they may not do it in exactly the same way as humans. The lead should make these things clear.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:06, 11 April 2025 (UTC)